11:45 Vaal (RSA) 16 Aug 2018

itsarush.co.za Welcomes You Workriders Maiden Plate (F & M) (3YO plus)

Winner 59,373 ZAR - 9 run

1

5f 212y

Good

Weighed In
No. Form Horse Age / wt Jockey / trainer
1
44/6593-
Red, red and blue checked sleeves, blue collar and cuffs, red cap, blue diamond (Mr W E & Mrs L Cyril & Mr A Samuels)

Count Kournikova 63 

b f COUNT DUBOIS - Lydia Lopokovo (Var)

4 9-6 b
-
Samuel MosiaWeiho Marwing
2
454747-
Green, white rings, quartered cap (Mr St John D Gray)

Tidal Tussle 7 

b f Call To Combat - Sandy Beach (COUNT DUBOIS)

4 9-6
-
Vusunzi SithethoD Gray St John
3
574438-
Light blue, pink chevron and sleeves, light blue armlets and cuffs, pink cap, light blue diamond (Messrs G Barker, J Apfel & B O Wiid)

Petite Aime 21 

b f Curved Ball - Kleintjie (Bezrin)

4 9-6 b
-
Goodman Fundile DadamasiBrian Wiid
4
38077/8-
Yellow, black seams, black cap, yellow spots (Messrs Pj, N, R & Miss S Delport & Mr P G A Labusc)

Red Orbit 44 

gr f Seventh Rock - Red Eminence (Grey Eminence)

4 9-6
-
Joe GwingwizhaStephen Moffatt
5
507084-
Aquamarine, white chevrons, cerise sleeves, white stars, cerise cap (Mr D I & Mrs J G Caunter, Mr K P & Mrs N M Backos)

Tricia 14 

ch f Eightfold Path - Ficticia (Kitwood)

4 9-6 b1
-
Paulas JevuTyrone Zackey
6
9-
Red, white epaulettes, red sleeves, striped cap (Hyperpaint Syndicate (nom: Mr G T Peter))

League Of Angels 96 

b f MOGOK - League Award (Model Man)

4 9-6
-
Tshepiso MatsoelePaul Peter
7
0-
Tangerine, black epaulettes, collar and cuffs, striped cap (Messrs N C Smith, S Singleton & Neil Patrick Smith)

Ruffiana 51 

b f Antonius Pius - Jewel Coast (Dubawi)

4 9-6
-
Sizwe TshobosaWeiho Marwing
8
00980-
Blue, orange chevrons, white sleeves and cap (Messrs C E & L Muller & Mr P J Grobler)

Stormy Emblem 14 

b f Gitano Hernando - Emblem Of Intrigue (National Emblem)

3 9-2
-
Phelisile MongqawaTony Nassif
9
000-
Green, white rings, quartered cap (Mr St John D Gray)

Burindi 21 

b f Just as Well - Rutana (ANNOUNCE)

3 9-2
-
Thomas NcumeD Gray St John
Verdict

COUNT KOURNIKOVA has quite a significant edge on form and is a confident pick. Petite Aime is the most realistic second preference, while Tidal Tussle is another with the potential to be on the premises.

12:20 Vaal (RSA) 16 Aug 2018

Grand Heritage 29 September Maiden Plate (3YO plus)

Winner 59,373 ZAR - 10 run

2

5f 212y

Good

Weighed In
No. Form Horse Age / wt Jockey / trainer
1
9702-
White, broad red band with black hoop, red and black hooped sleeves, black and red quartered cap (Mr R T Mattheyse)

Civil Disobedience 44 

ch g Rebel King - CORN FLOWER (Centenary)

4 9-6
-
R DanielsonCandice Dawson
2
874735-
Yellow, purple stars, yellow cap, purple star (Hollywood Syndicate (nom: Mr J M Everett) & Dreams)

Alphamikefoxtrot 9 

b g Var - Sharp Mistress (Tamburlaine)

4 9-6
-
Dylan Lerena (6)Clinton Binda
3
002540-
White, black spot, yellow sleeves and cap (Mr & Mrs G Eckert)

Sharp Gitano 23 

ch g Gitano Hernando - Rebecca Sharp (BECKER)

4 9-6 b
-
K ZechnerBrett Warren
4
809946-
Black, red maltese cross and sleeves, red cap, black peak (Mr A L A Crabbia)

Verdi 9 

b g Oratorio - Vail (Western Winter)

4 9-6 b
-
Collen StoreyDorrie Sham
5
Dayglo pink, black maltese cross, white sleeves and cap (Step Aside Syndicate (nom: Mr J A Carr))

Barista 

b c Var - Mochachino (Silvano)

3 9-2
-
Craig ZackeyMike/adam Azzie
6
08-
Royal blue, red spot, halved sleeves, royal blue cap (Mr C J H van Niekerk)

Global Exposure 39 

b g Pathfork - City Of Gold (National Emblem)

3 9-2
-
Dennis SchwarzSean Tarry
7
Navy blue, white hoop, navy blue sleeves, black cap, white spots (Janse Van Vuuren Racing (pty) Ltd)

Lunico 

b c Redoute's Promise - Conjurer (All Fired Up)

3 9-2
-
C MaujeanJohan J Van Vuuren
8
7-
Yellow, red hoop and armband, striped cap (Messrs Terry Young & M Liontarides)

Myrrh 39 

ch g Duke Of Marmalade - Mirth (Encosta de Lago)

3 9-2
-
Calvin HabibJohan J Van Vuuren
9
Black, scarlet cap (Wilgerbosdrift (Pty) Ltd (Nom: Mrs M Slack))

Protea Paradise 

b c Dynasty - Honorine (Redoute's Choice)

3 9-2
-
M YeniM F De Kock
10
Blue, white crossed sashes, yellow collar, sleeves and cap (Mrs J Moffatt)

Tamemetiger 

b c Curved Ball - Madame Tigre (Tiger Ridge)

3 9-2
-
Lukas BesterStephen Moffatt
Verdict

ALPHAMIKEFOXTROT's recent runs have been likeable on the whole and he is probably the one to beat. Civil Disobedience has the best credentials of the remainder, while Protea Paradise also looks good for a place seeing a racecourse for the first time.

12:55 Vaal (RSA) 16 Aug 2018

Book For The Grand Heritage 011 681 1508 Maiden Plate (3YO plus)

Winner 59,373 ZAR - 10 run

3

1m 1f 208y

Good

Weighed In
No. Form Horse Age / wt Jockey / trainer
1
0/82724-
White, blue hoop, white sleeves and cap (Ralphsracing(pty)ltd(nom:misskralphs)messrs Dgaber)

Shadow Man 53 

b g Silvano - Shadow Dancing (Fort Wood)

4 9-6 b
-
Craig ZackeyCandice Dawson
2
060223-
Green, white rings, quartered cap (Mr St John D Gray)

Mantracker 7 

b c Mon Sang - Cayman Ridge (Al Mufti)

4 9-6 b
-
Marco V'RensburgD Gray St John
3
53/8528-
Black and green halved diagonally, green sleeves and cap (Messrs L M Michael, D J Michael & Ramon Zoghby)

Belfry 35 

b g King's Chapel - Flutter Bye (Labeeb)

4 9-6 b
-
Dennis SchwarzSean Tarry
4
562863-
Turkey red and black hoops, white sleeves, black cuffs, turkey red cap (Mr S M Leahy)

Harington Port 33 

b g Horse Chestnut - Colleen (Restructure)

4 9-6
-
Diego De GouveiaRoy Magner
5
622737-
Black and white stripes, shocking pink sleeves and cap (Messrs A B Giuricich, Dean Alexander & Pravin Chet)

Imoto 33 

gr g Traffic Guard - Shatter (Fard)

4 9-6 b1
-
Mark KhanGary Alexander
6
647465-
Green, white rings, quartered cap (Mr St John D Gray)

Tongue Twister 7 

b g Damage Is Done - Speech Time (ANNOUNCE)

4 9-6 b
-
Warren KennedyD Gray St John
7
905-
Pink, white chevron, lime green sleeves, pink stars , lime green cap, pink star (Mrs N Oosthuizen)

Earth Sky 49 

gr g Black Minnaloushe - Full Moon Rising (Second Empire)

4 9-6
-
Ryan MungerBrett Webber
8
430788-
Black, yellow and black striped sleeves and cap (Mrs K Anthony)

Rich Harvest 33 

b h A P Arrow - Silwood (Fort Wood)

5 9-6 b
-
M YeniGreg / Anthony
9
9/07098-
Green, blue spot, hooped sleeves and cap (Mrs B I D'oliveira)

Sea Lord 42 

b g Russian Sage - Sea Shell (Saumarez)

5 9-6
-
Mathew ThackerayBrett Webber
10
666323-
White, blue hoop, white sleeves and cap (Ralphs Racing (pty) Ltd (nom: Miss K Ralphs))

Rubix 23 

b f Dynasty - Rubicat (Storm Cat)

4 8-13 b
-
K ZechnerCandice Dawson
Verdict

SHADOW MAN has fewer question marks about him than the others but has little room for error. Rubix could be the one to profit if the selection underperforms, while Mantracker merits respect as well.

13:30 Vaal (RSA) 16 Aug 2018

Tab Pays The Full Dividend, No Limits Mr 61 Handicap (3YO plus)

Winner 51,247 ZAR - 14 run

4

1m 1f 208y

Good

Weighed In
No. Form Horse Age / wt Jockey / trainer
1
309029-
Bright purple and bright yellow qtd diagona,checked diamond slvs,b yellow cap,b purple peak (Messrs B A Habib & S F G Habib & Mr K P & Mrs N M)

Gentleman Only 14 

b g Miesque's Approval - Sand Trap (Fahal)

6 9-6 b
-
Diego De GouveiaTyrone Zackey
2
808032-
Green, white rings, quartered cap (Mr St John D Gray)

Highlander 14 

ch g Jam Alley - Celtic Sands (Hermitage)

5 9-6
-
Warren KennedyD Gray St John
3
720100-
Mauve, black hoops and collar, mauve sleeves and cap (Messrs Ross Moore, K A Lerena, Neren Sing, D Coetz)

Two Guns 21 

b g Oracy - Hidden Nest (Western Winter)

4 9-5
-
S BrownStephen Lerena
4
024353-
Royal blue, pink crossed sashes, turquoise sleeves, pink cap, turquoise star (Mr M S Moosa)

Samar 14 

b g Bezrin - Isle Of Style (Counter Action)

6 9-5
-
Ryan MungerCraig Mayhew
5
120854-
Blue, gold sash, blue cap (Mr M E Leaf)

Sucha Charmer 14 

ch g Visionaire - SUCHA LOOKA (Braashee)

4 9-3 b
-
K ZechnerMichael Nicholas Houdalakis
6
888582-
White, dark blue hoop, white sleeves, dark blue armbands, dark blue and gold quartered cap (Messrs P D Jules, G Hodges & B O Wiid)

Kurt's Approval 23 

b g Miesque's Approval - Rosey's Song (COUNT DUBOIS)

4 9-2
-
M YeniBrian Wiid
7
746788-
White, broad royal blue band, pale blue hoop, hooped sleeves and cap (Messrs H H Wood, Chris Els, D T Peter & Rodney Zac)

Scotland 23 

b g Horse Chestnut - Gun 'n Trigger (Carnegie)

6 9-2
-
Craig ZackeyPaul Peter
8
6/60365-
Black, white spots, yellow sleeves and cap, black peak (Mesdames A M Venter & M Jeffery & Mr S P Jeffery)

Ryder 14 

b g Mambo in Seattle - Winona (Rakeen)

5 9-0
-
Dennis SchwarzGary Alexander
9
097534-
Red and white halved diagonally, white sleeves, red chevrons, blue cap (Mr T J Silva)

Kings Cup 26 

b g Dynastic Rule - Girls Night Out (Fahal)

5 8-10
-
Lukas BesterBrett Warren
10
094084-
Black, red maltese cross and sleeves, red cap, black peak (Mr A L A Crabbia)

Truly 23 

b g Tiger Ridge - Veritable (Sportsworld)

6 8-10
-
Collen StoreyDorrie Sham
11
00/0087-
Royal blue, pink crossed sashes, turquoise sleeves, pink cap, turquoise star (Mr M S Moosa)

Blue Sage 44 

b m Russian Sage - Plum Blossom (Argosy)

6 8-8
-
C MaujeanCraig Mayhew
12
060966-
Red, red and grey checked sleeves, grey cap, red star (Messrs G, K & M M Nassif)

Icy Avalanche 23 

b g Western Winter - Rollicking Romp (Qui Danzig)

7 8-7 b
-
Mark KhanTony Nassif
13
000059-
Yellow, pink crossed sashes, yellow sleeves and cap, pink diamond and peak (Messrs C J H Coertze, W J Coertze, P G A Labuschag)

Storm Outgoing 23 

ch g Visionaire - Hlabelela (Muhtafal)

5 8-7
-
Marco V'RensburgDeshone Steyn
14
399470-
Red, black chevron, green sleeves and cap (Messrs G J Nassif, Z L Nassif & J Nassif)

Tiger Jet 23 

b g Tiger Ridge - Jetstream Lady (JET MASTER)

5 8-5
-
Dylan Lerena (6)Fabian Habib
Verdict

KINGS CUP is running well and just about gets the nod in this company. Tiger Jet could be the answer to second place, while Scotland isn't entirely out of it either.

14:05 Vaal (RSA) 16 Aug 2018

Supabets - 0861 76 22 37 Novice Plate (3 Year Olds) (3YO only)

Winner 62,499 ZAR - 6 run

5

4f 214y

Good

Weighed In
No. Form Horse Age / wt Jockey / trainer
1
1223-
White, green collar, white sleeves, green stars and cuffs, white cap, green stars (Favour Stud (nom: Mrs Engelize Du Preez))

All About The Bass 3 

b g Warm White Night - All The Nines (Mistral Dancer)

3 9-6
-
Craig ZackeyTobie Spies
2
8013-
White, red stripe and sleeves, white collar, cuffs and cap (Mr M D Sham & Mrs D A Sham)

Moon Warrior 39 

b g Elusive Fort - Outofthisworld (Victory Moon)

3 9-6
-
Collen StoreyDorrie Sham
3
10950-
Dayglo yellow, purple spots (Messrs A J Van Huyssteen, William Henderson & R P)

Rule The Night 40 

b g Var - Light The Moon (Victory Moon)

3 9-6
-
M YeniTobie Spies
4
85105-
Red, gold chevron, halved sleeves, quartered cap (Mr & Mrs C R Stonebridge, Mr M D & Mrs D A Sham)

Topmast 9 

b c Sail From Seattle - Yourethetops (CAPTAIN AL)

3 9-6
-
K ZechnerDorrie Sham
5
15040-
White, red stripe and sleeves, white collar, cuffs and cap (Mr M D Sham & Mrs D A Sham)

Lethal Weapon 14 

b g Pomodoro - Cashmere Mafia (Victory Moon)

Non Runner
6
157-
Red, black hoop and sleeves, red seams and cuffs, checked cap (Mesdames M Soal & C Soal & Mr K Soal)

Marcus Attilius 44 

b c Brave Tin Soldier - Etoile Royale (Sahm)

3 9-4
-
Dennis SchwarzRoy Magner
7
105-
Purple, grey star, purple sleeves and cap, grey star (Messrs F Van Wyk, F N Englezakis & A Pawson)

Miss Khalifa 19 

b f Sail From Seattle - Arabian Glamour (Al Mufti)

Non Runner
8
668828-
Red, blue epaulettes and sleeves, red cap (Late Mr L J Erasmus & Mrs M J Erasmus)

Chailyn Boy 77 

b g Noordhoek Flyer - Seraphim Falls (Kahal)

3 8-13 b1
-
S BrownLeon (jnr) 1
Verdict

ALL ABOUT THE BASS looks the pick of the weights in this 3-y-o contest, while Rule The Night is also an interesting runner.

14:45 Vaal (RSA) 16 Aug 2018

Betting World - 087 741 2777 Fm 84 Handicap (F & M) (3YO plus)

Winner 70,007 ZAR - 7 run

6

4f 214y

Good

Weighed In
No. Form Horse Age / wt Jockey / trainer
1
4106/27-
White, blue hoop, white sleeves and cap (Ralphs Racing (pty) Ltd (nom: Miss K Ralphs))

Illegal 18 

b f Sail From Seattle - Aylesbury (Rakeen)

4 9-6
-
R DanielsonCandice Dawson
2
511219/
Green, white rings, quartered cap (Mr St John D Gray)

Freely Forever 231 

b m Fort Wood - Falana (ANNOUNCE)

Non Runner
3
110/040-
Orange, black stars, orange sleeves, black seams, orange cap, black stars and peak (Mr D Shawe)

Distant Call 39 

b f Var - Dawn Chorus (Giant's Causeway)

4 9-2
-
C MaujeanGeoff Woodruff
4
09/5531-
Yellow, fuchsia stripe, halved sleeves, yellow cap (Sean Tarry Racing C C (nominee S G Tarry))

Celestina 18 

b f Kahal - Sully's Landing (JET MASTER)

4 9-1
-
S KhumaloSean Tarry
5
947611-
Red and black halved diagonally, red sleeves, black cap (Mr K G Hunter)

Lady Of The World 40 

b m Great Britain - Worldwise (LAVERY)

5 9-1
-
Marco V'RensburgStuart Pettigrew
6
1742/04-
Red, white epaulettes, red sleeves, striped cap (Hyperpaint Syndicate (nom: Mr G T Peter))

Phillydelphia 28 

ch f Argonaut - Beautiful Noise (Centenary)

4 9-1
-
Craig ZackeyPaul Peter
7
728801-
Green, white rings, quartered cap (Mr St John D Gray)

Last Chirp 9 

ch m ANNOUNCE - Wise Wren (Argosy)

5 8-13
-
Warren KennedyD Gray St John
8
013422-
Black, red maltese cross and sleeves, red cap, black peak (Mr A L A Crabbia)

An Air Of Success 40 

b f Judpot - Una Aura (Signal Tap)

4 8-9
-
Collen StoreyDorrie Sham
Verdict

LAST CHIRP is just about the safest pick but others can't be discounted in an open contest. Lady Of The World ranks next in the field, while Celestina is perhaps the most interesting of those left.

15:20 Vaal (RSA) 16 Aug 2018

Tab Telebet - 0861 000 822 Novice Plate (3YO Fillies) (3YO only)

Winner 62,499 ZAR - 7 run

7

4f 214y

Good

Weighed In
No. Form Horse Age / wt Jockey / trainer
1
221-
White and red diamonds, checked sleeves, red cap (Messrs S Mileham, G H Long, H D Long & L C Long)

Dancing Queen 42 

b f Mambo in Seattle - Jet Princess (JET MASTER)

3 9-6
-
Dennis SchwarzRoy Magner
2
8178-
Yellow, black spots, black sleeves, yellow cap, black spots (Messrs P W Govender, T Padayachee, T Spies & N F V)

All Of Me 19 

b f Var - Allez Afrique (JET MASTER)

3 9-6
-
Marco V'RensburgTobie Spies
3
315363-
All royal blue (Messrs L M Nestadt, M A Currie, J Shill & J R Van)

Cloud Break 39 

b f Oratorio - Pan Amm (JET MASTER)

3 9-6
-
Warren KennedyChesney Zyl
4
31-
Blue, white chevrons, halved sleeves, blue cap (Onamission Syndicate (nom: Mr Mathew F De Kock) &)

Elbi 21 

b f Philanthropist - Madrisa (Grey Eminence)

3 9-6
-
M YeniM F De Kock
5
216-
White and green quartered diagonally, white sleeves and cap, green peak (Mesdames V Last & D N Stenger & Dr A Prigge)

Arikel 81 

b f Toreador - Mystic Rose (Fort Wood)

3 9-5
-
S BrownDianne Stenger
6
103409-
Emerald and lime green quartered diagonally, lime green sleeves and cap (Mr T Spies)

Andalusian 3 

ch f Gitano Hernando - Mashallah (Daylami)

3 9-5
-
Mathew ThackerayTobie Spies
7
464505-
Purple, grey star, purple sleeves and cap, grey star (Messrs F Van Wyk, W P Benade, T Spies & H Bhowany)

Star Flyer 66 

b f Sail From Seattle - Trimontium (Var)

Non Runner
8
165906-
White, green collar, white sleeves, green stars and cuffs, white cap, green stars (Favour Stud (nom: Mrs Engelize Du Preez))

Raving Rocket 3 

b f Pathfork - ROCKING AND RAVING (Mistral Dancer)

3 9-2
-
Ryan MungerTobie Spies
Verdict

DANCING QUEEN still has potential and is up to winning this. Star Flyer is probably the main danger, while All Of Me is the third candidate for the three.

15:55 Vaal (RSA) 16 Aug 2018

Next Vaal Racemeeting Tuesday 21 August Fm 66 Handicap (F & M) (3YO plus)

Winner 54,992 ZAR - 14 run

8

7f 210y

Good

Weighed In
No. Form Horse Age / wt Jockey / trainer
1
364539-
Cerise and purple quartered diagonally, cerise sleeves, quartered cap (Messrs D Forster-jones & G L O'brien & Hyperpaint)

Angelic 28 

b f Gitano Hernando - Your's Eternally (Western Winter)

4 9-6
-
Craig ZackeyPaul Peter
2
342521-
Red, red and grey checked sleeves, grey cap, red star (Messrs G, K & M M Nassif & G J Nassif, J Nassif &)

Silvez 72 

gr f Seventh Rock - Argent (National Emblem)

4 9-6 b
-
Dylan Lerena (6)Fabian Habib 1
3
234213-
Black, scarlet sash and cap (Messrs O A Ferraris & J T Peter)

Tortola 21 

ch f Tiger Ridge - Isabella Island (Western Winter)

4 9-5
-
S BrownOrmond Ferraris
4
932931-
Red, gold chevron, halved sleeves, quartered cap (Mrs D A Sham, Mr M D Sham & Mr & Mrs C R Stonebrid)

Elegancia 21 

b m Toreador - Flight Queen (Fantastic Light)

5 9-3 b
-
Collen StoreyDorrie Sham
5
551606-
Green, white rings, quartered cap (Mr St John D Gray)

All I Got 14 

ch f Jam Alley - All I Ask (ANNOUNCE)

4 9-0
-
Warren KennedyD Gray St John
6
700230-
Bright yellow, black band of diamonds, red sleeves, black armbands, black and red checked diamond cap (Messrs M S Moosa & C J Mayhew)

Piccadilly Square 21 

b f Antonius Pius - Sashay (London News)

4 8-11
-
Ryan MungerCraig Mayhew
7
521787-
Royal blue and orange stripes, royal blue sleeves, striped cap (Mr & Mrs R A Wiggill & Messrs D F Coles, C Garlick)

Pin Up Fold 7 

ch f Eightfold Path - Pin Up Babe (GOLD PRESS)

4 8-10 b
-
K ZechnerMichael Nicholas Houdalakis
8
270610-
Royal blue, pink crossed sashes, turquoise sleeves, pink cap, turquoise star (Mr M S Moosa)

Rabia The Rebel 14 

b f Rebel King - Idle Thought (JOSHUA DANCER)

4 8-9
-
Mark KhanBrett Webber
9
987528-
Dayglo yellow, dayglo pink cross and sleeves, white cap (Mr Barry Marais)

Movie Award 7 

b m Dupont - Vintage Award (Elliodor)

6 8-8
-
Mpumelelo Mjoka (3)Chris Erasmus
10
809521-
White, blue rings, hooped sleeves, quartered cap (Messrs W Clues, B D Botes, A G O'connor & Mr & Mrs)

Ponchielli 14 

ch m Tiger Ridge - La Gioconda (Not for Sale)

5 8-7
-
C MaujeanBarend Daniel Botes
11
500907-
Turkey red and black hoops, white sleeves, black cuffs, turkey red cap (Mr S M Leahy)

Ashdown 26 

b f Main Aim - Neck Of The Woods (Al Mufti)

4 8-4 b
-
M YeniRoy Magner
12
900928-
Cerise and yellow checks, cerise sleeves, yellow cuffs, checked cap (Mr Logan Pillay)

Catch A Thief 28 

b m Malhub - Vice Queen (Hobnob)

9 8-3
-
Diego De GouveiaStephen Lerena
13
80880/0-
White, blue star, white sleeves, blue cuffs, white cap, blue star (Mr N J Nassif & Mrs B I D'oliveira)

Atomic Belle 86 

b m Miesque's Approval - Lady Soul (Modus Vivendi)

5 8-3
-
Mathew ThackerayBrett Webber
14
830900-
Green, purple chevron, green sleeves, purple armbands and cuffs, green cap, purple peak (Mr S Parsons)

Great Aim 14 

b f Main Aim - Sacramento (Waldoboro)

4 8-3
-
Shadlee FortuneChris Erasmus
Verdict

SILVEZ has put together a good series of efforts lately and should make a bold show. Piccadilly Square seems the primary danger, while Ponchielli might well have a say too.