Compiegne 21 April 2026
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Fair 5th last time in a Listed hurdle on March 28th, and a win previously over 3600m in a handicap hurdle at this track on March 2nd. In the mix
Fair 5th last time in a Listed hurdle on March 28th, and a win previously over 3600m in a handicap hurdle at this track on March 2nd. In the mix
Two unplaced efforts this year, the latter when failing to complete the course in a Listed hurdle at Auetuil on February 14th over 3600m. Look elsewhere
Two unplaced efforts this year, the latter when failing to complete the course in a Listed hurdle at Auetuil on February 14th over 3600m. Look elsewhere
Recent success over 3800m at this track in a handicap hurdle on March 23rd. One to pay attention to each-way
Recent success over 3800m at this track in a handicap hurdle on March 23rd. One to pay attention to each-way
Unplaced last time, 4th before that over 3600m in a Class 2 hurdle at Auteuil on March 14th. More needed to be on the premises
Unplaced last time, 4th before that over 3600m in a Class 2 hurdle at Auteuil on March 14th. More needed to be on the premises
A few unplaced efforts of late, the latter over 3600m in a Listed hurdle at Auteuil on February 14th. Can make the top four
A few unplaced efforts of late, the latter over 3600m in a Listed hurdle at Auteuil on February 14th. Can make the top four
Placed 3rd last time over 3850m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 chase on March 29th. Might find a few of these too smart
Placed 3rd last time over 3850m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 chase on March 29th. Might find a few of these too smart
Two wins over fences this year and a decent 4th in a handicap chase over 3800m at this track on April 6th. Back over hurdles and can be involved
Two wins over fences this year and a decent 4th in a handicap chase over 3800m at this track on April 6th. Back over hurdles and can be involved
Unplaced last time, a win before that over 3800m at Strasbourg on March 22nd in a handicap hurdle. Unlikely to be a threat
Unplaced last time, a win before that over 3800m at Strasbourg on March 22nd in a handicap hurdle. Unlikely to be a threat
Placed on all three runs this year, 4th on the latter over 3900m on March 28th in a Listed handicap hurdle at Auteuil. Hard to ignore
Placed on all three runs this year, 4th on the latter over 3900m on March 28th in a Listed handicap hurdle at Auteuil. Hard to ignore
Unplaced last time, 2nd before that over 3600m at this track in a Class 3 hurdle on October 20th. Absent since November and faces a stiff task
Unplaced last time, 2nd before that over 3600m at this track in a Class 3 hurdle on October 20th. Absent since November and faces a stiff task
Placed 4th on his last start over 3600m at Senonnes in a handicap hurdle on April 8th. Not the most consistent and others preferred
Placed 4th on his last start over 3600m at Senonnes in a handicap hurdle on April 8th. Not the most consistent and others preferred
Placed 3rd on the latest start over this track and trip in a handicap hurdle on March 23rd behind HAUT LES COEURS (3). Merits consideration
Placed 3rd on the latest start over this track and trip in a handicap hurdle on March 23rd behind HAUT LES COEURS (3). Merits consideration
Recent success over 3900m at La Teste in a handicap hurdle on April 1st. More is needed to be involved in a stronger race
Recent success over 3900m at La Teste in a handicap hurdle on April 1st. More is needed to be involved in a stronger race
Fair 7th last time, a pleasing 3rd before that over 3900m in a Listed handicap hurdle on March 7th. Leading contender
Fair 7th last time, a pleasing 3rd before that over 3900m in a Listed handicap hurdle on March 7th. Leading contender
Decent 2nd over the track and trip in a handicap hurdle on March 23rd. Capable of making the top four
Decent 2nd over the track and trip in a handicap hurdle on March 23rd. Capable of making the top four
Won on his last start over 3800m in a claiming hurdle at this track on April 1st. Others make more appeal up in class
Won on his last start over 3800m in a claiming hurdle at this track on April 1st. Others make more appeal up in class
Four unplaced runs this year, 6th at Auteuil on the latter over 3900m in a handicap hurdle. Lacks consistency and others preferred
Four unplaced runs this year, 6th at Auteuil on the latter over 3900m in a handicap hurdle. Lacks consistency and others preferred
Two unplaced efforts this year, the most recent over 3900m in a handicap hurdle at Auteuil on April 9th. Has work to do
Two unplaced efforts this year, the most recent over 3900m in a handicap hurdle at Auteuil on April 9th. Has work to do
TRES PLUMEUR (14) ran a solid race to finish third on his penultimate start in a Listed handicap hurdle at Auteuil in early March and has strong claims of returning to winning form. He appears to be fairly handicapped at present. His main danger could be MOSSY WALSH (9), who has been placed on all three starts this year and looks ready to get her head in front. PRIAM DU MESNIL (7) has won twice over fences this year, and the return to hurdles should not pose a problem. UNDENIABLE ALIBI (5) has slipped down the handicap and is capable on his best form. HAUT LES COEURS (3) looks the pick of the remainder.
Placed 2nd last time over 3850m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 chase on March 29th. Ought to be in the shake-up
Placed 2nd last time over 3850m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 chase on March 29th. Ought to be in the shake-up
Fair 5th last time over 3600m at Auteuil in a handicap hurdle on April 2nd. Placed form over fences last year and has outside place claims
Fair 5th last time over 3600m at Auteuil in a handicap hurdle on April 2nd. Placed form over fences last year and has outside place claims
Two unplaced runs of late, 2nd before that over 4100m at Pau in a handicap hurdle on February 6th. Might need a few to flater
Two unplaced runs of late, 2nd before that over 4100m at Pau in a handicap hurdle on February 6th. Might need a few to flater
Won on her last start over 4100m at Lyon Parilly in a handicap chase on March 15th. Others seem better equipped
Won on her last start over 4100m at Lyon Parilly in a handicap chase on March 15th. Others seem better equipped
Placed on her last two runs, 4th on the most recent over 3500m in a Class 3 hurdle at Moulins on March 21st. Placed over fences in December. Can be involved at the finish
Placed on her last two runs, 4th on the most recent over 3500m in a Class 3 hurdle at Moulins on March 21st. Placed over fences in December. Can be involved at the finish
Won on her chasing debut over 3850m in a Class 3 race at Fontainebleau on March 29th. Can follow up
Won on her chasing debut over 3850m in a Class 3 race at Fontainebleau on March 29th. Can follow up
Recent 3rd at this track over 3600m in a Class 1 hurdle on March 23rd, and a win over fences before that on February 24th. Capable of being competitive with a solid round of jumping needed
Recent 3rd at this track over 3600m in a Class 1 hurdle on March 23rd, and a win over fences before that on February 24th. Capable of being competitive with a solid round of jumping needed
Won on the most recent start over 3500m at Montlucon in a Class 5 chase on March 22nd. Needs to raise her game to be involved
Won on the most recent start over 3500m at Montlucon in a Class 5 chase on March 22nd. Needs to raise her game to be involved
TANTE ZENA (6) jumped well when scoring at Fontainebleau on her chasing debut in a Class 3 race in late March and is taken to follow up. She is preferred ahead of CADELO (7), who is talented over obstacles but has a tendency to make errors over fences. SHANYADAME (5), who was second over fences in December, is another to note and warrants consideration. JOURNEE D'LA FEMME (1) ran well to finish second at Fontainebleau over fences last month and cannot be discounted.
Fell last time at Auteuil in a Grade 3 chase on March 28th, four wins before that including three over fences at this track in 2025. Player
Fell last time at Auteuil in a Grade 3 chase on March 28th, four wins before that including three over fences at this track in 2025. Player
Three wins of late, the most recent by a cosy 7 lengths over 3900m in a Listed chase at this track on April 1st. Hard to dismiss
Three wins of late, the most recent by a cosy 7 lengths over 3900m in a Listed chase at this track on April 1st. Hard to dismiss
Placed 2nd on his last run over this track and trip on April 1st behind OPERA LIGHT (2) in a Listed chase. Can be on the premises
Placed 2nd on his last run over this track and trip on April 1st behind OPERA LIGHT (2) in a Listed chase. Can be on the premises
Won well over 3600m in a Class 4 chase at Fontainebleau on March 29th. More is needed in a stronger race
Won well over 3600m in a Class 4 chase at Fontainebleau on March 29th. More is needed in a stronger race
Two wins of late, the most recent over 3850m in a handicap chase at this track on March 23rd. One to pay attention to
Two wins of late, the most recent over 3850m in a handicap chase at this track on March 23rd. One to pay attention to
Two placed runs this year, 4th on the latter over this track and trip in a Listed chase behind OPERA LIGHT (2) on April 1st. Might find this difficult
Two placed runs this year, 4th on the latter over this track and trip in a Listed chase behind OPERA LIGHT (2) on April 1st. Might find this difficult
Three unplaced efforts of late, 5th on the most recent over the track and trip in a Listed chase on April 1st. Unlikely to feature
Three unplaced efforts of late, 5th on the most recent over the track and trip in a Listed chase on April 1st. Unlikely to feature
METRONOMIQUE (1) won four races in a row at this track, three over fences last year including a Listed chase by 20 lengths in October. His only blemish was at Auteuil when he fell late in March. Back at this venue he can edge this over OPERA LIGHT (2), who scored over the track and trip in a Listed chase on April 1st and can make things difficult. DREAM WEAVER (5) is also a course winner over fences and warrants consideration. NEVER SEEN (3) heads the rest.
Two placed runs over hurdles, the latter when 2nd over 3000m at Fontainebleau in a Class 2 race on March 29th. Seems to be improving and can not be overlooked
Two placed runs over hurdles, the latter when 2nd over 3000m at Fontainebleau in a Class 2 race on March 29th. Seems to be improving and can not be overlooked
Finished 6th on his debut over 3200m at this track over hurdles on March 2nd. Has to improve a good deal to make the top-three
Finished 6th on his debut over 3200m at this track over hurdles on March 2nd. Has to improve a good deal to make the top-three
Unraced gelding by Spanish Moon, the dam was placed over jumps. From a respected trainer that can ready a newcomer to strike on debut. Others more persuasive
Unraced gelding by Spanish Moon, the dam was placed over jumps. From a respected trainer that can ready a newcomer to strike on debut. Others more persuasive
Placed on both runs, 2nd on the flat in March and a 4th over 3500m at Nantes in a Class 5 hurdle on March 31st was encouraging. One to pay attention to
Placed on both runs, 2nd on the flat in March and a 4th over 3500m at Nantes in a Class 5 hurdle on March 31st was encouraging. One to pay attention to
Finished 8th on his sole start over 3200m at this track in a Class 3 hurdle on April 1st. Place chance with progress expected
Finished 8th on his sole start over 3200m at this track in a Class 3 hurdle on April 1st. Place chance with progress expected
Unraced gelding by SaintDes Saints, the dam won 2 races over hurdles. Related to the smart Vanille du Berlais, who has useful form over jumps. Stable runners warrant respect and he is worth a market check for clues
Unraced gelding by SaintDes Saints, the dam won 2 races over hurdles. Related to the smart Vanille du Berlais, who has useful form over jumps. Stable runners warrant respect and he is worth a market check for clues
Two unplaced efforts, 7th on the most recent over 3000m at Auteuil in a hurdle race on March 28th. Ought to be thereabouts
Two unplaced efforts, 7th on the most recent over 3000m at Auteuil in a hurdle race on March 28th. Ought to be thereabouts
Finished 8th on his only start over 3000m at Auteuil in a hurdle race on March 28th. He should know more this time but others preferred
Finished 8th on his only start over 3000m at Auteuil in a hurdle race on March 28th. He should know more this time but others preferred
Ran well to be 4th on his debut over 3200m at this track in a Class 3 hurdle on April 1st. He will know what is required this time and is open to progress
Ran well to be 4th on his debut over 3200m at this track in a Class 3 hurdle on April 1st. He will know what is required this time and is open to progress
Finished 6th on his sole start over 3200m in a claiming hurdle on April 1st at this track. Stiff task ahead and others make more appeal
Finished 6th on his sole start over 3200m in a claiming hurdle on April 1st at this track. Stiff task ahead and others make more appeal
Gelding by Ectot, the dam won 1 race on the flat. Stable runners warrant respect and others seem better equipped
Gelding by Ectot, the dam won 1 race on the flat. Stable runners warrant respect and others seem better equipped
MORENITO D'ISTRES (9) showed plenty of promise when finishing fourth in a Class 3 hurdle at this track on April 1st. With expected improvement, he can score at the expense of DON DANDY (1), who has been placed on both starts, most recently when second at Fontainebleau in a Class 2 hurdle on March 29th. VOLT DU BERLAIS (6) has a smart pedigree and is likely to be well prepared by his shrewd trainer for his debut. NAESTRO (4) is also worth considering after finishing fourth over hurdles at Nantes recently.
Placed 3rd last time over 3600m in a Class 3 chase on March 29th at Fontainebleau. Capable of making the top three
Placed 3rd last time over 3600m in a Class 3 chase on March 29th at Fontainebleau. Capable of making the top three
Recent success over 3600m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 chase on March 29th. Can use her chasing experience and play a lead role
Recent success over 3600m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 chase on March 29th. Can use her chasing experience and play a lead role
Two placed runs this year over fences, 4th on the latter over 3600m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 race on March 29th. Has work to do
Two placed runs this year over fences, 4th on the latter over 3600m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 race on March 29th. Has work to do
Finished 5th last time out over fences in late March, a win before that over 4100m at Saumur in a Class 3 chase on March 8th. Might find a few of these too smart
Finished 5th last time out over fences in late March, a win before that over 4100m at Saumur in a Class 3 chase on March 8th. Might find a few of these too smart
Ran well to be 2nd on her chasing debut over 3600m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 chase on March 29th. In the mix
Ran well to be 2nd on her chasing debut over 3600m at Fontainebleau in a Class 3 chase on March 29th. In the mix
Two unplaced runs of late, 4th before that over 3500m in a Class 4 chase at Meslay-Du-Maine on March 15th. Unlikely to be a threat
Two unplaced runs of late, 4th before that over 3500m in a Class 4 chase at Meslay-Du-Maine on March 15th. Unlikely to be a threat
Unplaced last time, 2nd before that over 3500m at Auteuil on March 22nd in a Class 2 chase. Has won over fences and warrants respect
Unplaced last time, 2nd before that over 3500m at Auteuil on March 22nd in a Class 2 chase. Has won over fences and warrants respect
Two good 2nd place runs of late, the latter over 3600m in a handicap hurdle at Auteuil on April 2nd. Live chance on chasing debut
Two good 2nd place runs of late, the latter over 3600m in a handicap hurdle at Auteuil on April 2nd. Live chance on chasing debut
Two decent efforts of late, 4th on the most recent over 3600m at Auteuil in a Grade 3 hurdle on May 27th. Can be ready to go after a layoff on chasing bow
Two decent efforts of late, 4th on the most recent over 3600m at Auteuil in a Grade 3 hurdle on May 27th. Can be ready to go after a layoff on chasing bow
Unplaced last time out, 4th before that over 3600m in a claiming chase at Fontainebleau on March 9th. Still looking to get off the mark and can be opposed
Unplaced last time out, 4th before that over 3600m in a claiming chase at Fontainebleau on March 9th. Still looking to get off the mark and can be opposed
LAYLA LUX (9) can be expected to be ready to go after almost 12 months off the track. She has solid form over hurdles and was fourth in a Grade 3 hurdle at Auteuil in May on her latest start. She can score on chasing bow and is preferred ahead of LOUBA (8), who has been second over hurdles on both starts this year. LYRE D'OUDAIRIES (2) scored over fences late last month and warrants close attention. LUTECE ALLEN (5) makes up the shortlist.
Recent success over 3800m in a handicap chase at this track on April 6th. Listed winner over hurdles in 2025 and warrants respect
Recent success over 3800m in a handicap chase at this track on April 6th. Listed winner over hurdles in 2025 and warrants respect
Two placed runs of late, 4th on the latter in a Grade 3 hurdle over 3900m at Auteuil on February 23rd. Key chance
Two placed runs of late, 4th on the latter in a Grade 3 hurdle over 3900m at Auteuil on February 23rd. Key chance
Four unplaced runs of late, the latter over 5300m in a Grade 3 chase at Pau on January 18th. Grade 3 winner over fences in 2025 who needs to get back on track
Four unplaced runs of late, the latter over 5300m in a Grade 3 chase at Pau on January 18th. Grade 3 winner over fences in 2025 who needs to get back on track
Nice win last time over 3600m at his track in a Class 1 hurdle on March 23rd. Listed hurdle and Grade 3 hurdle winner last year and holds strong claims
Nice win last time over 3600m at his track in a Class 1 hurdle on March 23rd. Listed hurdle and Grade 3 hurdle winner last year and holds strong claims
Placed 2nd on his last start over 3800m at this track in a Class 1 hurdle on March 23rd. Useful operator who should be involved
Placed 2nd on his last start over 3800m at this track in a Class 1 hurdle on March 23rd. Useful operator who should be involved
Two unplaced runs of late. 9th over 3800m in a handicap hurdle at this track on May 14th on the most recent. Lacks consistency and others preferred
Two unplaced runs of late. 9th over 3800m in a handicap hurdle at this track on May 14th on the most recent. Lacks consistency and others preferred
OLYMPIC STORY (4) is a former Listed and Grade 3 hurdle winner at Auteuil last year and won well at this track in a Class 1 hurdle late in March on her return to hurdles after a fall over fences last year. She is preferred ahead of DJIN'S (2), who has performed well in a Listed hurdle and Grade 3 hurdle on his last two starts. HAMANDIO (1) is also a previous Listed winner over hurdles and won at this track over fences 15 days ago when last seen. He can make things interesting.
Pleasing 3rd on her debut at Auteuil over 3000m in a hurdle race on March 28th. Open to improvement and can get off the mark
Pleasing 3rd on her debut at Auteuil over 3000m in a hurdle race on March 28th. Open to improvement and can get off the mark
Finished 2nd on her only start over 3300m in a hurdle race at Bordeaux Le Bouscat on March 27th. Open to progress and has outside place claims in what could be a stronger race
Finished 2nd on her only start over 3300m in a hurdle race at Bordeaux Le Bouscat on March 27th. Open to progress and has outside place claims in what could be a stronger race
Two unplaced efforts so far over hurdles, the most recent at this track in a Class 3 over 3200m on April 6th. Looks vulnerable
Two unplaced efforts so far over hurdles, the most recent at this track in a Class 3 over 3200m on April 6th. Looks vulnerable
Showed talent to be 4th at Fontainebleau in a Class 2 hurdle over 3000m on March 29th. Open to progress and warrants close attention
Showed talent to be 4th at Fontainebleau in a Class 2 hurdle over 3000m on March 29th. Open to progress and warrants close attention
Three unplaced runs, 8th on the most recent over 3000m at Auteuil in a Class 1 hurdle on April 2nd. Faces a stiff task and can be avoided
Three unplaced runs, 8th on the most recent over 3000m at Auteuil in a Class 1 hurdle on April 2nd. Faces a stiff task and can be avoided
Finished 5th last time over 3000m in a Class 2 hurdle at Fontainebleau on March 29th. Among the leading chances
Finished 5th last time over 3000m in a Class 2 hurdle at Fontainebleau on March 29th. Among the leading chances
Filly on debut by Doctor Dino, the dam won 3 races over jumps. Choice profile and from a respected trainer that knows the time of day. In the mix
Filly on debut by Doctor Dino, the dam won 3 races over jumps. Choice profile and from a respected trainer that knows the time of day. In the mix
Filly by Doctor Dino, the dam won 2 races, 1 on the flat and 1 over hurdles, and was Listed placed over hurdles. Some good aspects to her profile and she is worth a market check
Filly by Doctor Dino, the dam won 2 races, 1 on the flat and 1 over hurdles, and was Listed placed over hurdles. Some good aspects to her profile and she is worth a market check
Unplaced over the track and trip in a hurdle race on March 2nd on her sole start. She will need vast progress to make the frame
Unplaced over the track and trip in a hurdle race on March 2nd on her sole start. She will need vast progress to make the frame
Ran well to be 4th on her debut over 3200m in a Class 3 hurdle at this track on April 6th. She will be sharper this time and can feature
Ran well to be 4th on her debut over 3200m in a Class 3 hurdle at this track on April 6th. She will be sharper this time and can feature
Finished 7th on her sole start over 3000m at Auteuil on March 14th in a hurdle race. Needs to improve a good deal to be involved
Finished 7th on her sole start over 3000m at Auteuil on March 14th in a hurdle race. Needs to improve a good deal to be involved
Filly on debut by Moises Has, the dam never raced. Likely to improve for this debut run unless the betting vibes are positive
Filly on debut by Moises Has, the dam never raced. Likely to improve for this debut run unless the betting vibes are positive
Showed talent to be 5th on her sole start over 3000m at Auteuil over hurdles on March 14th. Can improve from her debut and make the top-three
Showed talent to be 5th on her sole start over 3000m at Auteuil over hurdles on March 14th. Can improve from her debut and make the top-three
SCARLETTS STAR (1) made a good impression when third on her debut at Auteuil over hurdles late last month and can step forward from that run. She is given the vote ahead of VANEADI (4), who ran with plenty of promise when fourth at Fontainebleau in a Class 2 hurdle on March 29th and is open to progress. SHE LIKESTOMOVE IT (10) ran well over the track and trip when fourth on her debut earlier this month and is another to pay attention to. BULREO DESJY (6) completes the shortlist.
Nice winner over 3550m at Fontainebleau on his sole start on March 29th over hurdles. Open to improvement and can play a leading role
Nice winner over 3550m at Fontainebleau on his sole start on March 29th over hurdles. Open to improvement and can play a leading role
Won with authority by over 9 lengths on her sole start at Auteuil over 3600m over hurdles on September 13th last year. She will be ready to go from an absence
Won with authority by over 9 lengths on her sole start at Auteuil over 3600m over hurdles on September 13th last year. She will be ready to go from an absence
Two good efforts this year over hurdles, a win at Argentan on his penultimate start on March 6th and a recent 3rd over 3600m at Auteuil in a Class 2 hurdle on March 22nd. Hard to ignore
Two good efforts this year over hurdles, a win at Argentan on his penultimate start on March 6th and a recent 3rd over 3600m at Auteuil in a Class 2 hurdle on March 22nd. Hard to ignore
Two unplaced runs this year over hurdles, the most recent in a Class 2 over 3600m at Auteuil on March 22nd when well beaten. Look elsewhere
Two unplaced runs this year over hurdles, the most recent in a Class 2 over 3600m at Auteuil on March 22nd when well beaten. Look elsewhere
Won last time over 2900m at Royan on the flat in a Class 4 race on April 4th. Tries hurdles and is from a leading trainer that will have him well prepared
Won last time over 2900m at Royan on the flat in a Class 4 race on April 4th. Tries hurdles and is from a leading trainer that will have him well prepared
Placed 2nd on his sole start on the flat over 2300m at Le Mans on September 12th in a conditions race. Might need a few to falter and best watched on hurdles bow
Placed 2nd on his sole start on the flat over 2300m at Le Mans on September 12th in a conditions race. Might need a few to falter and best watched on hurdles bow
Four placed runs so far on the flat, the latter when 3rd over 2400m at Pornichet on December 14th. Hurdling debut and others make more appeal
Four placed runs so far on the flat, the latter when 3rd over 2400m at Pornichet on December 14th. Hurdling debut and others make more appeal
Ran well to be 2nd last time out at Le Lion D'Angers in a Class 4 hurdle over 3700m on April 5th on his latest start and is another to keep onside
Ran well to be 2nd last time out at Le Lion D'Angers in a Class 4 hurdle over 3700m on April 5th on his latest start and is another to keep onside
Solid 2nd over 3500m in a Class 3 hurdle on April 1st at La Teste on her latest start having won on debut over hurdles in December. In the mix
Solid 2nd over 3500m in a Class 3 hurdle on April 1st at La Teste on her latest start having won on debut over hurdles in December. In the mix
Won well by 4.5 lengths on her debut over 3700m in a Class 5 hurdle at Boredeaux Le Bouscat on March 27th. Could be a smart operator and holds strong claims
Won well by 4.5 lengths on her debut over 3700m in a Class 5 hurdle at Boredeaux Le Bouscat on March 27th. Could be a smart operator and holds strong claims
MASKINA (2) looked like a smart prospect when scoring easily by over 9 lengths on her sole start over 3600m in a hurdle race at Auteuil last September. She will be well tuned for her return to action and is preferred ahead of STECASTER (1), who won on debut at Fontainebleau in March over hurdles and poses a live threat. ILLYADAME (10) looked useful when winning on debut and is another to take seriously. NORMANDY MAN (3) ran well at Auteuil to be third recently and can also be involved.
